3. Peter Kudzinowski

He confessed to a murder and was laughed at...yeah, you read that right! Peter Kudzinowski is the cut-and-dry killer in this very odd and horrific tale.
Lead Investigator: Elewa

Content Warnings:
Current in Crime- vigilantism
Peter Kudzinowski- violence, child murder, drug use, alcoholism, violent accidents

Resources:
https://www.oxygen.com/crime-news/vigilante-shadowvision-wants-to-stop-little-rocks-serial-killer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Kudzinowski

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Carter: 0:15

Welcome back to I Ain't a Killa podcast where we break down unusual, true crime stories from our perspective, I'm Carter,

Elewa: 0:21

I'm Elewa.

Erin: 0:22

and I'm Erin.

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Erin: 0:49

Thank you friend Bridget!

Elewa: 0:49

Thank you Bridget, who I've never met before.

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Speaker 2: 1:28

Yes, because I don't have no money. Cause be in college and stuff and people got, you know, people got different situations and we want our disabled negatives to be able to listen to our episodes. Absolutely. We want everybody to be able to listen accessibility. Yes. Yes. And other news, one of our co-hosts had our birthday this week,[inaudible] said, do you want me to tell people your age[inaudible], you know, took 10 years. So I get to take 10 years back. But I'm not exactly how it works. I love telling people my age because one, I, nobody thinks I look my age for some reason I do not. [inaudible] like literally what I say though, black 31 is not the same as other 31. So it's like, no one ever thinks I'm 30. No one ever thinks anyone, any of my friends are their age because we're all, no one ever thinks I'm 21. Right. Me. So I feel like one that like, I completely agree with that. But then also like capitalism, it's like, they just want you to expire by the time you turn Saturdays. Right. But then also like for me, my thirties or my twenties, like all the stuff I couldn't do when I was 20, I'm able to do it now. I, I can dance. I'm interesting. I have a, now I have politics and values. I got a little booty meat. You know what I mean? I'd have no when I was 20 stopped playing. Like try to grip that, your hand slapped into my leg. Like I'm so serious. Don't get put to shame. But all my family members, well that is not my experience that I've always had asked. And I want everyone listening. I keep not relating to this claim, but it's very funny. It's not contagious. Like I'm a catch. You have to leave because I'm associated with some of this. So I'm happy to be 31. I made it. So they make it a 31. But I think about the amount of time. So I'm cool. I'm so lucky. And I'm grateful. And I got y'all and like got my friends and my, I don't know, life is headed to a greater place, so I'm happy to be 31 birthday. I got a little too excited. I want to send some boy birthday coin to Leya. Oh, her cash app is please do what's your cash app. Oh, I was like, I don't know. I it's. My cash app is my real name. It's dollar sign. K I E R R a M E Y O N. That's not exactly how I spelled my real name, but that's how you pronounce it. So we're just gonna go with that. That was a lot. We'll put it on Instagram. Please do speaking of our Instagram follow us. Oh my God. Okay. So another mini shout out I'm in the bonnet con Facebook group, which was started by Ashley at well, a friend of mine. And it's all about celebrating like black people, black, non men who just have the audacity to show up in the world, which is amazing. And we love that for us. And so when posted about wanting a true crime podcast led by black people that just talks about true crime in a real relatable way. And so many people followed us, a friend of mine, TJ tag that's on the thread and people were excited. We got like 15 new followers and it was great. It made my day. I was like choosing from air to air Kelly. Anyone who would listen. So shout out to y'all. Thank you. I'm so happy. I keep looking at it. You sent us the screenshot. It's like she sent us the screenshots or whatever, but I'm just like, I want to see it all. If you're from, if you're from that group and you're listening, I don't know, figure out a way to tell us, right. Instagram or something. Very happy to share with our friends. And we love every single one of y'all, every single one of y'all and we hope to give the people what they need. So we not given. What's supposed to have Gabe let us know and we'll give it and we'll give you more because there's always more, um, Q so this week for our current and crime, um, as you may recall, we talked about shadow vision. I don't know if that was episode one or two, because to be honest with y'all we recorded them in the same day. It was, I don't know. I think it was the second one because you did the true current crime. Oh yeah. The first one. So this is basically like the last episode we talked about shadow vision, who is a true crime vigilante vigilante. I can't talk no more. Um, and was it little rock, little rock Arkansas. Yeah, that sounds right. Let me make sure I'm on his Facebook page. It is little rock. Yeah. Cause I was getting, cause I was no, I was cyber-stalking or whatever. Yeah. So, um, I think the last time we talked about him, we were just like trying to look at like the clues of, you know, like who he might be and what type of person he might be just based off of some of the stuff that he said. And one of the things he said was, you know, to look him up on Facebook or look him up on Instagram or something. I forget what we said, join his Facebook group, join his Facebook group, which is, to me, it was given white. It truly was given white because it was also the killing of gang gang members. That's what it was like, I've taken down high ranking gang members and they were like, okay, but gang, aren't always a terrible thing. And if you want to send back that conversation and that's something we can talk about maybe in a Facebook group or something, but yeah, it was definitely giving white, but he has a costume that covers up the majority of his body. So we didn't know for sure. I did some investigating. I did some investigating for a full two minutes. He revealed some good stuff he revealed he revealed through. So basically he has a video. I'm trying to see if I can scroll to the video. But basically he goes laugh sometimes I think. And he has like, um, videos on his, um, page, which is very public. You can definitely look up shadow vision on Facebook. And he, he, and in the video, I'm looking at it right now. His he's like putting on his gloves. He's like finishing, putting on his gloves and he's as white as can be. I feel so affirmed because I'm like sometimes when you, when you prejudge people, well you just be feeling bad. Like, I know they gonna call me racist for this, but then like that some white people. And then you find out it's not a white person. Right. And I'll be so disappointed because this is a yeah. And this is a black person who is a white supremacy has per se pervasive. So like, yeah, people should do be getting into other. You know what I mean? To other nonwhite, she's like, it could still be white people shouldn't even if a non white person that's doing it. Okay. I just said that. Cause that was such a great way to articulate that. And I wouldn't have come up with that. I'd just be like, I'm disappointed. But um, but yeah, no he's white his foot. Um, apparently what did he say? He was it's from Ireland. Scotland got land with Scotland, kind of breaks my heart. Cause I love Scotland. I had a play uncle that was from Scotland and I grew up with him and he was great, but this isn't great. I just want to know what inspires somebody to leave Europe, which is like, oh gee white people. Like that's, that's where they make white people shout out dumb Glover. But I was just saying like, that's like, why would you come over to the remix? You know what I mean? Like it's like, why do you, what do you want? You want him to tell him over, to save the world, save the world. Well, here's my thing. Like you pointed out as we were talking about this a little bit, before we started recording, he came here from Scotland. According to this article that I'm looking at eight years ago. But did anyone say that he took out a serial killer[inaudible] over here and killed somebody and then went back home and then went back and they got us to Arkansas to even Westworld. It's definitely[inaudible] oh my God. That's a hope. First of all, what is her name? Um, the, the, the hot bisexual one. Evan, Rachel Ross. Everyone was everyone retro every Rachel Woods. I think it, yes. Anyway, girl, you ever by chance, I listening to this name EMEA, but anyway, that's just an aside. That's great. Right? Um, I always loved her. So, so basically what we're saying is there's no way in hell shadow, vision, shadow, vision killed those people. Yeah, no, it's weird. Unless he literally flew over here, which is possible, I guess. I don't know if he came over here eight years ago, but he killed Sarah or did he say the serial killers were in the U S where, where they serial killers in Scotland maybe. And then he blew over here this late now. I think he said one of them was in North Carolina and I feel like I'm like no Carolina. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not, it's not. I mean, and that's okay. But all we're doing is clarifying the fact that we don't stand, we do the politics are not in line with ours. Um, and then there's others. So there's some other people that like he'd be meeting up with or whatever called the vortex night. Divorcing. There's more vigilantes. But these, these costumes, we're going to put this picture on Instagram because these costumes is given, like, I don't know, it's given like Halloween party at your white friend's house. Like likes, like I don't, I don't understand the inspiration behind this. Me as a, like I'm not gonna put my life in more danger than it's already in to save some people that probably don't give a about me, honestly, especially in Arkansas, like no, can I reach out this excerpt from the arc time please? So it says, quote, the one obvious thing missing from his arsenal is speed. Shadow, vision, lacks, any type of super hero mobile. So he walks everywhere. He goes the vehicle you had before it got shot up. He said, so he logs about 80 miles a week, which keeps him in fighting shape. And I'm just, he does what he logs. So he like walks around 80 miles a week. Yes. He walks up to all the crimes that he like solves or, you know, whatever it's just at this point is given cup. Right? How do you, how do you have that type of mobility walking everywhere and you don't get like you're at these crime scenes or you're at these crime scenes. Because I mean, technically it is a crime to be a vigilante. Um, even though I don't really with the justice system, but that's a whole other conversation, right? You're you're at these crime scenes you're committing these crimes and then you just walk off, like he killed a serial killer and he just walks well. So didn't we figure out that he was like in his sixties because the table literally nothing as up, it doesn't add up. Yeah. Or maybe he has like a successor, a copycat or Mr. Shadow. We got questions. Yeah. Please hit us up if we have, I mean, I know we roasted you a little bit, but you're still a person and you're still out there doing these things and we're a true crime podcast. And if you don't curiosities, if you don't do it, you anti-black. So yeah. I'm talking to all the white people. You're talking to vortex nights, you're talking to Facebook oxygen to come talk to us to come talk to the black families who w who have questions. I in a kilo. Yeah. But anyway, so yeah, the last thing I want to say, cause I know we just roasted this for like 10 straight minutes. Last thing I want to say is that shadow vision recently lost his uncle. Um, he said I lost my uncle due to a heart attack and I don't think he purposely used the crying emoji. I mean, I think he used the crying emoji to me and crying, but like, it's, it's wild because like most of the time people use that as like crying, laughing. So he used like that one that's giving his age and has given his age. Um, I believe that he's in his late fifties, early sixties to not use emojis if you don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Most definitely. This is an aside, but I also just, I'm not a huge fan of people using emojis in general for like serious content. Yes. But I'm like, is that me showing my age? Cause I am on the cusp of being a geriatric minute millennial, whatever the that's supposed to mean. That's really good. And I hate it, but it is also my truth. But yeah. I just, you could say that emoji, like this say what you have to say. And then like he lost her uncle and you was like emoji, like which one should I, you know what I mean? Like we use the angel emoji when someone dies because it's smiling when I'm dead. Like it wasn't that she used the skull emoji. Like I'm dead. Literally. I hate it. I gotta go. I'm taking it out. I'll see. I'm for the next segment. No, I just want to say, you know, RFP to shadow visions, uncle. I didn't know the person and I don't know he could have been racist. I don't know. I don't know. But you know, because I don't know him. I just rather stay on the safe side and say rest in peace, because that is sad. Like I, that no matter who you are, you know, losing people is never easy and it doesn't matter. You know? I don't know. I just hope he wasn't on a mission when it happened. Like I really hope not like that would have been, so that would be so much, I would be like collated between serious and comedy is really me.[inaudible] I'm not trying to be funny. It just so happens to be funny. But I really, I really hope he was like with his uncle when it happened, because I feel like that's something that he's gonna carry with him forever. Like me, if I was like out here in the streets, being people as, and then I found out like my uncle died or something, I be that would make me sign a Spiderman. Oh, he doesn't have the mobility as he's walking. Well, no, I'm being so serious. I'm being associated. I rest in peace. I don't have anything funny to say. I know I said some. That sounded funny, but

Carter: 15:06

Welcome back. Yes. Yes. We've got to get into the main Lorene.

Speaker 2: 15:12

Yes. So I call this the cut and dry the murder. Oh Lord. Because it's very much like it's no buildup. Normally when you look up, uh, a serial killer or, you know, somebody who commits crimes, there's like a lot of documentation about, um, you know, this person grew up in this way and he had these issues. Um, they, you know, it was like hidden little animals and stuff like that. This dude said, nah, I'm skipping all that. I'm jumping straight to the top of the stairs. We get straight to it. So it wasn't. So it wasn't that they didn't have that information. It's just that this person didn't do it at all. So nobody around this person testified that this person did this thing and there is some change in behavior. But I'll talk about that after, um, his background a little bit. Okay. Go ahead. Content warnings, anything. Oh yeah. Most definitely. I'm curious now I'm cutting dry. Okay. So, um, this is all the content warnings. This is like extremely violent, um, uh, especially for child murder. Um, and then just like drug use alcoholism and things like that. Just like violent accidents. Um, so yeah, that's all the kind of destination, all the, um, all the constant warnings. So his name is Peter[inaudible]. Um, and he is the son of Polish immigrants who settled in Scranton, Pennsylvania. And the reason why, the way I found him was I was trying to find somebody who had like my, I was kind of creeped out. I was like, I wonder if somebody who's like notorious for crime has my birthday. I was just like, oh, and I couldn't find one. So I was like, okay. I wonder if they have some of my friend's birthdays, so I'm going to say the birthday and then I'm going to send this podcast. And when all my friends and the person whose birthday it is, they going to be mad, but it's whatever. Okay. It's not my birthday. Um, so his name is Peter[inaudible] and he was born August 13th, 1903. Uh, yes. Yes he is. And you don't, that's kind of rare. Like most, most of them be like scorpions and sad and savages and Gemini. Yeah. So yeah. Very rare. Um, wonderful. Kind of. I'm just playing. Um, yeah, so he, so he lived in Dixon city, but his parents, um, I think his, uh, like I said, were Polish immigrants. They settled in Scranton, Pennsylvania. He was the youngest of four boys and they grew up in Scranton. Um, couldn't ASCII suffered a skull fracture in the sixth grade after diving into a shallow pool. This is the telltale sign. Like anytime a kid has a head injury. Well, so many of the serial killers, the notorious ones have had injuries. And that's all, I'm like if my kid has a head injury as a child, like, do I have to dislike? You got to watch him. You got to watch them closely. I was about to say something much more problematic. And he said, what? I said, isn't it like the frontal lobe? There's like something specific where if it gets damaged, your thought process, put my kid in a helmet for the whole first 15 years, honestly, not going to get bullied and they gonna be a serial killer. I'll speak that on my child. I'm gonna protect them and put them in a helmet. Y'all said he going to get bullied and be escalated. They can wear a helmet. The school ain't going to school. My spouse is going to homeschool though. Oh, you gonna be homeschooled too. Oh Lord. No social skills.[inaudible], we'll talk about you and his child now. Your child's going to be perfect. Thank you. I wish that for you. I wish you know the weirdness. So couldn't ask yourself for the skull fracture. Uh, they said it changed his behavior and lighthearted said, let actually is a very telltale sign. I can't really name anybody off the top of my head, but like there's. So the night, the night stalker, it's always like, oh, they, they got hit in the back of the head with a swing or they fell out of a tree or something like they were dropped or something it's very, very specific. So, um, he decided that he didn't want to go to school anymore at all. Um, I think they just, I mean, I think it's the early 19 hundreds. I felt like back then, like what the, if you were poor or if you were an immigrant, like what kind of job could you get anyway? And then like, even if you could, like, you could probably, they didn't have no checkout system where they could call your mom, if you don't show up to school, like it's just probably like, and your time was better spent working right. Money home, right? Yeah. But basically, um, so he worked at stint at the Lackawanna coal mine, and then he later took a job at the Lackawanna red railroad. Like I can't talk railroad yards in caucus. Um, all these different cities, um, y'all I'm from Atlanta. Like, I don't know, outside of 2 85. I'm so sorry. Please forgive me if I say Joe city wrong. Um, so basically he gets, so this is why I call this the cut and dry murder, because up until now, like they don't have up until he gets caught for his first murder or jailed for, um, intoxication. There's no record of him. Like there's no, like I tried to do research on like what he was doing in the meantime. And then like, other than working that stint at the railroad yards and stuff, there's nothing about him. So I don't know if that means that I'm just not a good researcher, but I just could not find anything. So, um, it says after Kuta Naski was jailed for killing a seven year old named Joseph's Durelli he confessed to two other murders. Okay. So when he killed the seven year old, yeah. How old was he? Do you know? Um, well it says he was the, say he was jailed for it in 1928. He was born in 1903. So he's like 25 years old. Wow. Yeah. So like, yeah, I guess between the ages of 13 and 24, there's not really much of him. Um, but he did that because he was locked up for being drunk in public. So this is all kinds of like the timeline on this is really weird because they already know that he confessed to two other murders because he was jailed for another murder. But then that happened because he got locked up for being drunk. So it was like a snowball effect. It was like, he, they probably never would've caught him. Right. But because he got locked up for being drunk, um, it says he was, um, yeah, he was jailed in Detroit for public intoxication. He confessed to stir rally, which is the seven year old. And I'm going to talk about in a second, he confessed to, uh, Staley's murder his jailer, um, who laughed at him. So basically he said like, I killed like this kid and the jailer just laughed at him and they just let them go, like after he got sober. Um, yeah. So, yeah. So this is, so this is almost like, you know, those movies that tells you that kind of tells you the ending and then you have to go back to the beginning to figure it out. That's kind of what this is going to be. So we already know that he's going to get locked up for a murder. He's going to confess to other murders, but then we got to go back to see like how he met the kid and like what happened, right. Um, yes. So let's see, let's go off while you're doing that. I think I was talking to Carter or somebody y'all don't commit two crimes at once to get yes, don't they, if you're selling, we, your tags, your plates need to be current today. Like, don't be sparks are good, right? Like, come on. Y'all because more often than not people get caught because of the small things that they're intoxicated and now you're talking too much, like, don't drink too much if you know, I mean, we definitely want murders to be in trouble, but that means murders. Well, nevermind. I'm not going to say what I was gonna say, but if it's self-defense, I mean, I'm cool with it. Right. And if somebody didn't with your kid and sometimes, oh yeah. Most of the guy that's also very, very good way. I don't disagree. I don't know. Just being drunk or just being a perf. Yeah. Okay. Most definitely. They call it like, um, so it says Cody Naski met seven year old. Joseph's directly in a half drunk state quote unquote, um, late afternoon on November 17th, 1928 on first avenue in east village, New York, uh, coulda now ski a cost it to other children at the same location, but they ran away. Couldn't ask you lure the boy away with the promise of a box of candy and a visit to a motion picture show. He then took him by the port authority, uh, trans huts and train to journal square in Jersey city. And finally walked him to, uh, the New Jersey Meadowlands near sea caucus. Um, so this is the part where it gets really violent. So just a warning. Um, when Joseph tried to get away, couldn't ask him, knocked him down and hit him several times, worrying that the boys cries would attract passing cars. Couldn't ask he slashed his throat, covered the body with the boys overcoat and left him. Oh my God. Yeah. So it wasn't even, so it was the reason I'm saying that was, I think he, like, he was probably into little kids. I think that's what it was. And I think it just ended up like the black guy intentionally, like he unintentionally just got like way too violent. And then like, because he was drunk, he didn't probably like plan it out. He was very impulsive or something, but also this tells me that, like, he probably did this before. Like it's not even, this is the first one he had, he got jailed for it, but he probably did the on the regular, like happened to different cities, lower and low kids into his car or whatever. And then this particular time maybe the little kid was like screaming, like top of his lungs. It was like, he just reacted and then just killed a little kid. Um, so like I said, he got jailed for that murder because, um, you know, he got, uh, locked up for intoxication and he admitted it to it. So it says, um, so after sobering up, so we're back to the present now. And it says after sobering up, after he confessed to that first murder on December 3rd, couldn't ask you drunkenly, staggered up to a police traffic booth and told the officer there that he was wanted by the police, uh, upon being asked whether he meant for murder. He replied you'll find out. Yeah. And in jail again could, uh,[inaudible] um, was interviewed by Detroit detectives who obtained the rough edges of his confession. So I guess like maybe they just kind of like, was able to piece it together. Cause he was like super drunk. Um, he was primarily motivated to confess by the weight of his conscience stating I'm willing to pay the penalty and the sooner it's over, the better I had to confess it was troubling me. I was just about to say like, he clearly felt incredibly guilty to like be constantly trying, first of all, how is it that he has the bag to confess like, right. What, like how do I have to tell you more than once that I killed people. Right. But the fact that he did do it more than once or tried to confess more than once, he must've really been going through it. Yeah. I think one of these days, like we definitely need to pick us, especially around the same decade. Just like, look at how, uh, white offenders and like non white offenders are treated when, cause I mean this lit, he literally came out and said it, right? Like he came out and said, I killed this person. But back then it was like, if you was even suspected and this is the early 19 hundreds. So if you, if you, this was around the time of the Tulsa riots, this is like 1920s. Uh, if I'm not mistaken, um, yeah, just whistling at a white girl that the same thing that got immaterial killed, um, the Tulsa riots, like, you know, people's getting their house burned down and. Cause he is still the child of immigrants. I'm wondering like if he had an accent or if he like, I don't know, know what it means to look Polish, but if he looks, you know yeah. I think around that time there was a divide between quote unquote, like the, uh, white Americans and then the Ima like there was an immigrant way, bigger divide between white immigrants and white quote unquote Americans. Yeah. So maybe there was, I'm wondering if he had an accent though, because his, it says his parents were Polish immigrants, which means they probably settled here and then he grew up here. Right. So yeah, if there was that huge divide, I would, I would think that they would like be a lot more harsh on him or whatever, but it's just very weird how he was treated, but like it's because it was the 1920s, I was just like, oh, okay. He white, he's fine. Like that's pretty much sums it up. Um, so, uh, going back to the past, uh, to the other two murders that he confessed to while he was in jail. Um, so he also confessed to two other murders. Uh, you know, that night, they though, well, the second time that he came back, um, it says he murdered 20 year old Harry Quinn in Scranton on March 8th, 1924. Uh, the two were friends and were traveling to spring Brook township where Quinn was looking to land a job with the spring Brook water supply company. Cause an ASCII, uh, had, uh, he introduced himself as Ray Rogers or Ray Lambert to some acquaintance family members, uh, on what turned out to be the last day that they would hear anything from Quinn. So yeah, they met him and then it was literally it after the two of them had gotten into an altercation over a bottle of whiskey, couldn't Askey, uh, crushed Quinn's head with a rock, holy. Couldn't ASCII. Um, his older brother later recalled that Peter came to visit him, told him that he had been in a scrape and needed money to leave town without actually mentioning what happened. Um, not having heard from Quinn in a few years, his family members presume that he had abandoned them and had been looking to get in touch with him through newspaper advertisements. Yeah. During that time, it wasn't like you could just call somebody. Right. And this is another impulsive thing. I feel like you just like, you get into an altercation with somebody, you crush their head with a rock. It's just, it's giving impulsive. Yeah. It doesn't, it doesn't really sound like a cold and calculating killer. He seems like a very hot tempered person capable of murder, especially when drunk. Yeah. Which is it draws over a bottle of whiskey. Right, right. Yeah. Um, so he also admitted to murdering, uh, Julia, I can not say his last name, but I'm gonna try. Um[inaudible] but it starts with an M. So it was like[inaudible], I'm a, five-year old girl from Jersey city. Um, yeah, that one, that one was the one, I was like five years old. Oh my goodness. Like he definitely. Yeah. Um, so she was out of the school picnic at late. Uh, hope it come on. Uh, August 19th, 1928. Although after he was captured, he told reporters that he quote unquote had doubts that he had actually murdered her. So again, that's like that impulsive behavior. And then afterwards he was like, oh. Like, you know, um, so couldn't ask, uh, was jailed in Detroit for public intoxication and then he confessed to stir Raley's murder and then he confessed to the other two. So it was like, yeah, it was like 1, 2, 3, like back-to-back um, I wonder if that had an injury, it probably did impact his impulse control. Yeah. Most definitely the alcohol takes away even more of the control. And then he gets to that point. And then like you said, that he does, he wasn't sure if he actually killed her doubts blacked out or his memory was weird because of being drunk. Yeah. And I was reading this story. I was like, this is wild. I was just looking up somebody with an August birthday. I know about it. Yeah. That's why it's like, you know, there's the popular, uh, people that everyone knows about. And there's so many other super interesting, terrible cases that just nobody talks about. I feel like another reason why a lot of these cases don't get talked about, because I feel like as a culture, didn't like, we would have to admit that this is not rare. Yeah. Like it used to be, especially in the seventies and the eighties, it used to be like this thing where, um, if you watch like mine hunter or like, uh, the documentaries that they have on some of these killers, they think like, oh, maybe 20 something killers are active at anytime. But I feel like it, the number is way higher and to like keep paying it down or just to like, I don't know, give off the, uh, I guess give off the image of like a pure culture or a better culture or whatever nobody talks about, but this happens all the time and it goes so bad. It goes so far back into history. Wow. Um, so he was transported to, he was transferred to Jersey city to stand trial. Um, the state, uh, brought in a medical expert who characterized Coda Naski as possessing a psychopathic personality, Def the defense brought its own experts. Um, who tried to say that basically like, uh, who, because of these x-rays, you know, he's not fit to stand trial. Like this is why he did these things and stuff like that. But if he was a psychopath, would he care to confess? That's what I, that's what I was wondering because I think it does not give a path on anybody, but like is a very specific diagnosis and it doesn't sound to me like he's a psychopath. I don't think psychopaths feel empathy or emotion. And it seems like he has that guilt. Right. Cause he said it. Yeah. And, uh, he had to get off his does not have time to be trouble. Right. Also super early in the 19 hundreds. So maybe they hadn't gone that far with yeah. So they probably only had like one label for anybody who was like a killer psychopath. Yeah. So though that obviously didn't work the x-rays and, like that's not gonna work. Um, so yeah, he was found guilty on first degree murder on January 17th, 1929. When asked if he had anything to say before his sentence was passed, couldn't ask you remain silent. He was sentenced to die, uh, by electric chair, which is horrified with this of, um, the week of February 24th. And this is the part that got me because it's like, I don't think a psychopath could be like this, but it says that he, um, so he stated that he was ready to die and he felt he would probably commit more murders if he were, if he were ever set free again, that doesn't give me psychopath. It's probably, it gives me like, he feels out of control and he feels like he just can't like, yeah, I'm not empathizing with him because he killed two little kids. So him. Yeah. So this will be part of that. Is that like, that people can be so out of control of their, their own selves. Like they, yeah. I don't know. My brain's got the thought, but my words aren't catching up to it. I kind of understand what you're saying. Like I obviously he's a terrible person, but when people can get to the point where they recognize how bad of a person that they are, that they know that they're like, I can't, I don't deserve the freedom of not being in prison or whatever, because I know I'm going to continue to do this. Right. So that, that part of the story kind of, I don't know, it gives them a little more humanity and not so much where you're like, oh yeah. Like you're like, okay. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. I can see the process by the way that happened. Yeah. Right. And honestly, if he hadn't gotten help or if he was able to give help and people pay better attention to like people with mental health issues and stuff like that. Not saying that because people with mental health issues are actually more likely to be victims of crimes. So I'm not saying that. I'm just saying like, if people, if we had a society that was like communal and it was like, are you okay? Do you need to go talk to, so-and-so probably get this sort of treatment and help and stuff, how much of that stuff would actually happen. And so that's like a whole other thing we'll never, he'll never know. Cause you know, he died before we even reached that part of being a society. So. Right. Um, so yeah, his final. So he fought on the pill, of course, all the insanity, pleas and stuff that was denied. Um, and the night of his execution, uh, he, they said he appeared nervous and he was unable to repeat the prayers uttered by the priest, uh, immediately before he died. So I, I don't know. I guess like when the priest is praying for you, uh, on death row or like when you're in the electric chair, you're supposed to like repeat the prayers or whatever, and he wasn't able to do it. I think he just wasn't able to like leave and that kind of me up. I was like. Okay. Maybe that's like his religion, like you repeat. Yeah. Oh yeah. I don't know. Maybe because aren't, I, if I'm not mistaken, like immigrants back then were traditionally like Polish or not Polish, but traditionally Catholic. Yeah. I think that's probably what it is. Cause I feel like you have the option of having somebody with you, like a religious person with you. If you want that to maybe. Yeah. Yeah. Can we just take a second to pull over and talk about how violent the electric chair is like that is so like who came up with it and they're bringing it have, y'all read about how like they're bringing that back as an option execution. Oh my God, let me Google it real quick because no C no like frying people. That's not the mood, not if we, I mean the whole conversation of the death penalty is something else, but not if we have the option of doing an injection. So this is from May, 1920, 21. It's an NPR article. And the expert says that a few states have turned to alternative methods of execution. Eight states allow electrocution, Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Kentucky, Mississippi, Oklahoma, Tennessee, and South Carolina. I'm not sure me. All those states in the south, all those super Bible S like Bible belt states, like the electric chair of so, but this article is about firing squads and electric chair, because it's about the scarcity of legal injections for whatever reason.

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Thank you, Ellie. Why? Yes. That was a good story. That was, um, well, like we do for all the episodes,

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Resources and content warnings and everything to the description, and we're going to try something new this episode. I'm really excited about it. It was Ellie wise. Uh, yeah, because I got some I need to get off my chest. So, um, this is the official ended. Well, not the official, but the semi ending of the episode. So, um, we already had our current and crime, our main story. Thank you all for coming. We'll have another episode on Monday, but if you want to stick around for a little segment that we're adding on to the end, we're calling it. Um, should this be a crime because maybe some should be. Yeah, maybe so. Should it be like, people gotta be held accountable so she has to stop. Alright, so let's get into it. Shouldn't this, shouldn't this be a cry. Welcome to, should this be a cry? You're giving me scam. Got it. Goodness guys. I loved it. I got you. No matter what it is, it shouldn't be a crime. Oh, I mean, we, we, I think all of us here would call our call ourselves, like, who does the abolition? Like, we don't necessarily believe we don't believe in carceral justice systems, but some just be too far. Some is just out of hand. The business need to be aired the out. And we need to talk about it, talk about it. So me and Carter, actually, we're having a conversation. Um, first of all, let's do a little backstory. Um, I will never hate on a black getting her bag like ever in life, whatever your gimmick is. And however you get your money. I support the out that. But so this whole thing with like sweetie and having like her all sweetie mail and, I had McDonald's smell. It was five months already. Like that was, it was already just like too much, especially because of the way. Yeah. I'll praise that. And then drag the literal out of Lizzo for simply existing on this planet. Right. We're not even going to get all the way into that, but it was a lot. Yeah, no, it was a lot. And I just want to get a little bit into it. So like Liz, like when she'd be eaten on Twitter and, or when she ate on Tik TOK, she'd be eating like nature, cereal. She, you know, Boulder raspberries, whistle, blue waters. But I mean, good for her and still got Jad because y'all hate fat people. But then like, sweetie, I don't know how much he weighs. She has a very, like, I guess athletic or like fit body or whatever. Be eating this jail as males. Please explain what, okay, hold on. I need to open up some on Twitter because I think you sent me the link or whatever. Here's the thing. There's nothing wrong. What freaking your noodles, like putting some butter on there. Some, you know, some cheese, you know, jazz it up was that hurricanes, you know, nothing. But, so we texted a little bit too. Yeah. Add a little cheesy on noodles. Like put a little, you know, little sweetness in your popcorn to make a little sweet and salty or right. We didn't know like do y'all okay. Ellie was about to give us some examples, but do y'all really think that she eats this? I don't. I don't think so. I don't. I feel like it's, it led her to this McDonald's deal. So Hey, Ella said I'm not bothered by it for the most part. I do get how you live, but there is one specific example that I'm sure Elliot hall will mentioned. That should truly be a crime. It is so bad. This put Mac and cheese in her mother, lucky charm, lucky chart. Like there's no way she eats. There's no possible way she ate that and her body would immediately rejected it. No, those are marshmallows. Those are mine. It's milk. I wish I could see space. And you know, that's the thing. Okay. So the actual cereal from lucky charms is the same material. It's like honey nut Cheerios. So it was like marshmallows, honey, nut, Cheerios, milk. And then like, not even like baked Mac and cheese, it ain't even like, it's like easy Mac. Oh, like they're out of the cup. Like if you look at it, like the watery shells, like the Velveeta show, like I'm looking at you, it's disgusting. Let's just disgusting. And I think, I don't think she, yeah, I think it should be a crime too. But the thing is, I'm looking at this picture. I feel like she's trolling everyone because the Mac and cheese is just far enough out the cup where it's like, is she really pouring it in? Or is she just taking a picture? And then she's going to gather the Mac and cheese backwards, supposed to be separate from the cereal and eat them like a normal person. Pretty slice Lou. And that's exactly what I, yeah. Took the words running like this. I don't know because it gets her positive attention and feedback. And again, get how you live. I'm not mad at you. Like you said, having to your gimmick, doing your thing, whatever. But is this Oreo ice cream on a burger? What is this? A Leschi? What the is that? Well, it's too big to be squeaked ski. I'll take the Vic. It just like Oreo ice cream. Yeah. No, that's definitely Oreo ice cream. Oh, burger. See, that's another one. But the thing is that like a burger and a milkshake that kind of goes together. Yeah. And I did my fries and a milkshake. Fries is different than a burger. Yeah. But it all goes, but no, this Mac and cheese burger is a little more maybe. And I wasn't even going to say, but it's like with the whole sweetie sweetie meal and like her being famous for having these weird concoctions cause this sweetie mill, any Michelle, it's like a big mat with catch up on top or it's like a burger with chicken nuggets, chicken nuggets on top of some fries. Was this the same thing they do with the Travis Scott stuff? They just pull stuff from their regular menu and put their name on it was the same, the same thing. And they're like, oh, everybody's going to pull up for this sweetie meal. I'm just like shocked that they didn't do. Like, if she was for real about this, the sweetie meal should have been some chicken nuggets with McFlurry, like dipped in some ice cream. Yeah. Like, or some crushed up hot Cheetos, like dusted chicken nuggets flap. Yeah. But especially being in those labs. So it was like, even that can be as we can move, but they really want it to go with this whole sweetie thing. And they should have done some odd combinations instead of just having a big Mac with ketchup. Um, yeah. I don't believe it would be unbelieve should be in it. And you know, what's funny cause like, okay. So she posted, um, this video on to, uh, I don't know what platform it was originally on, but I saw it on Twitter and it was basically like a video of her eating, like one of the burgers or whatever. I don't know what it, so I'm going to show you. You can just see it without any audio. Oh my God. I hate that video. No, I've seen it. I can't watch it. She looks so disgust. She taken an extra like bite, you know what I mean? Like she's like, I don't think, I think it's cause she's like actively trying not to swallow that. They probably don't eat that. She probably vegan. The caption is sweetie enjoying her McDonald's meal. She does not look like she looks like she hates it and she got to keep eating this. Hate that video. It makes my skin crawl. Well, anyway, we have come to the conclusion that that should be a crime. Let us know what you think though. Like definitely. And, and you know, if we, if I'm dead out alive, roast me, like let me know if you're lucky charms there's. Flame us. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. But you know, if there's anything else in pop culture or whatever that you think should be a crime, send it to us. Definitely talk about, we have an email address. It's I and a killer podcast, edgy gmail.com period. So email it to us. We'll talk about it. And we want to know. So cause this sweetie stuff, I'm not here for it. I don't, I wanna throw up and I ain't even ate yet. So I'm like, I'm hungry. Okay. Thanks. Y'all for joining for this extra, um, extra segment. Um, listen to our podcasts on all the things, apple podcasts, Spotify. Anything else you can follow us at Iyanna Kyla podcast on Instagram, Twitter, Facebook. No, no, no. Instagram, Facebook take Todd credit is looking at me. It's my green nervous. And then, um, on Tik TOK is at Inn killer pod. Yes. And yeah. And I try to spell it at I a I N T a K I L a P O D C a S T. Thank you. And like we said again, if you want to help us make our podcasts as, as accessible as possible, our cash app will be in our description and we're excited to see, y'all hear from y'all for you to hear us.[inaudible]. Bye. Bye.