4. Daniel LaPlante: The Man in the Walls

Trust us, if you hear tapping in your walls, it's time to move! Daniel LaPlante, the man in the walls, is the subject of your worst nightmares. Join us for this wild story of ghosts, crawl spaces, murder....and ketchup??
Lead Investigator: Carter

Content Warnings:
Current in Crime- attempted suicide, police violence, murder by the state
Daniel LaPlante- rape, murder of children, extreme stalking

Resources:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/aug/21/alabama-former-police-officer-ben-darby-sentenced-25-years-shooting-suicidal-man
https://www.talkmurderwithme.com/blog/2021/2/3/daniel-laplante
https://apnews.com/article/f0cc5b4f3235b40942be68a92d0619fa
https://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/2013/05/14/wiccan-rituals-daniel-laplante-lawsuit/
https://www.wbur.org/news/2019/03/05/daniel-laplante-parole-sjc
https://www.newspapers.com/image/?clipping_id=34908982&fcfToken=eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJmcmVlLXZpZXctaWQiOjQzNzk2NjA3MiwiaWF0IjoxNjI5ODMxNjMwLCJleHAiOjE2Mjk5MTgwMzB9.KF9suQHbZbRF_pfdgkU3cbCv99hsAuvFiHQFU18TJXg 
Season 2, Episode 1 of Investigation Discovery's Your Worst Nightmare series "Bump in the Night."

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All right. Hey, y'all welcome back to the I and a killer podcast. I'm LOI, I'm Carter and I'm Erin and you're, we're here to talk about some unusual crimes from our perspective, what would that be? A black perspective, perspective, or both a anticapitalist and all that good I was going to say, or neither, but that's all at least one we promise to audit this bag and we like that. Um, yeah. So who is our sponsor that we're shouting out this week? So this week, our sponsor did ask her remain anonymous, but our sponsor isn't educator. So I want to shout out all educators in general, shout out y'all yes, because you know, couldn't be me, but we know y'all work super hard. Um, on top of all the things that come with being a teacher, we know that these last couple of years have been especially hard. Um, so we really do appreciate the support and the love. And so if you'd like to sponsor a future episode so that we can transcribe our podcasts, um, to make it accessible to our deaf and hard of hearing friends, please find our cash app in the description of this episode or on our Instagram. So moving right along this week, we do have an actual current and cry, but we want to, it, we want to pull over for just a second for a little mini mashup of current, a crime slash should this be a crime? And I forgot. I just, okay. So I just learned about the crate challenge, like literally two days ago because of U L E Y. And then all of a sudden it was everywhere on everything I would look at throughout the day. And I just want to know why, like, why do people want to break their neck so bad while we want to twisted ankles? One of the things it's not even like children, these are grown people. I've only, only seen adults do. I haven't seen 80 kids. And the thing is I love a good adult field day, a good, a good adult Antech, you know, kickball[inaudible] high crate. Yeah. It, it really looks it's just too much. The stakes are too high. No, no. Right. And these medical bills are too high. The medical bills, the capacity of the ICU is too high, especially in Atlanta low capacity. It's at 100% capacity. It's at the highest it could possibly be. And are like, you know what? I think I just want to go to the hospital today. Like I think that's the wound. The club is closed. Boredom. That should be a crime. Y'all just stop. Just don't do it. They keep doing it so I can laugh, but don't get hurt. You're going to do it at least record it. Yes. Do record it. So Carter can laugh at it, but don't get hurt. Cause then I'll feel bad. It's such a, it's funny because like, there's this stereotype that like black folks don't be out here, like putting their life in danger and. I think we just don't have the money to put on[inaudible] bungee jumping and parasailing and, but we'll have money for that. don't have money for that. So I was like, Hmm, how can I, how can I do a daring adventure in the hood? Which is right old are innovative as. But it's like these unstable crates on top of each other and see how high we can get before we break our backs. Did you see the person do it in the heels? The one who bodied it? Yeah. Yeah. That was pretty amazing. I just feel like, uh, falling on one of those crates would be like stepping on a Lego, but like with your whole body slamming into the Lego, this literally wouldn't even want to sit up straight. Let me adjust my spine. I love it for y'all. Yeah. We're not going to turn our nose up at nothing that brings joy just don't get hurt for real. Um, also this podcast is not endorsing anybody participating in set activity.[inaudible] death broken box. Um, so our real current and crime, which will be read by Aaron this week. Um, you want to throw some constant warnings on that thing thing. Um, definitely suicide attempted suicide police violence murder by the state. I just read the title. So that about covers it. The title just looked enticing. So I haven't really read through the article. We're going to have a firsthand reaction. Oh yeah, that's true. But that should cover the content that's yeah, that's pretty good. Thank you. And we'll add, add anything else into the description. You'll always keep an eye on the description for more fully fleshed out content morning. Okay. Okay. So this is from the guardian and it was I'm looking for when it was published Saturday, the 21st of August and the title is Alabama, former police officer given 25 year sentence for shooting suicidal man. Some of these, I was like, oh, okay. That makes sense. Yeah. Whatever is coming next. That makes sense. Literally, no matter what it Alabama colon. So they just they're like the flight Florida man. I was literally, and it starts with a picture on the scroll by that. Oh, okay. So here we go. A judge has sentenced a former Alabama police officer to 25 years in prison for the shooting death of a suicidal man who was holding a gun to his own head. I know y'all, can't see our faces, but I'm just like for real I'm squinting like Ooh, former Huntsville police officer William Ben Darby was convicted in may of killing Jeffrey Parker in 2018. At least it's former police officer. That's a good sign that a better song, right on vacation police officers, Darby shot Parker while responding to a call after the man phone nine one, one saying he was armed and planned to kill himself Darby and others pleaded for leniency saying there was no evil intent when he pulled the trigger. What other intent can you have when you pull the trigger other than to kill someone or to at least shoot and harm them pleaded for leniency. What'd you're trying to give him a hug. Like it don't it it's not enough. Prosecutors argued during sentence that Darby's lack of willingness to admit wrongdoing in the gravity of what he did to Jeffrey Parker deserved a long sentence. News outlets reported. Jeff was in a mental state. Jeff had issues. Jeff asked for help. Bill Parker, bill Parker's Jeff Parker's best friend. I'm sorry. It's bill parks. And that's Jeff Parker's best friend parks said another officer had the situation under control until Darby entered in shot Parker within seconds. Wow. That's so common. Um, my thing is I have never understood the logic. If the person has a gun on themselves, what is the purpose of you shooting them? Like I just, is it a power trip? Like, do you just want to be the one to like pull up and I don't know. It's gotta be, I just don't get it. Like what could you think would be the benefit of you shooting someone who's first of all, already threatening to shooting themselves. I just don't get it. It's literally like somebody, like if they had a bomb strapped to them, right. And you pull up with a grenade, like, oh, he brought the blood stuff up. Do you know what I mean? It's absurd. It's like gasoline on a fire. Like it just doesn't make sense. No. Th th the person called 9 1, 1 saying that they were going to kill themselves. So clearly there was some type of like, I need help. Right. And then for the other police officer to have the situation under control, right? Like it says, um, it's stunning to me. Jeff must have been sitting there going, okay. Things are going good. And what, 11 seconds later, his face is blown off. Why that's wild? And I mean, of course police don't have no type of lands on mental health. So that's like a whole other thing. And they're like, oh, I was doing what I was trained to do. But like, yeah, these 11 seconds, how were you? Only here for 11 seconds. And you're, you know, and we were good before you got here. Like why, why are you here? Is the real question. It reminds me of that meme. That was like these two cops and they're laughing. And it's like us trying to watch a mental health professional take down, like, uh, I don't know, 200 pound person, like in crisis or whatever. That's not the language, but you get, you get the vibe. Right. And like, it's like, y'all think it's funny that we're trying to save people's lives and use alternatives to, you know, mitigate harm. And like, I don't know. Yeah. Give people what they deserve. Kindness, understanding, help treatment. Like that's a joke to you. I don't know. It's like, well, y'all trained by like double oh seven or something. It's like, shoot onsite, get rid of whoever it is that you trying to help or whatever. Right. And then it got circle back and ask for leniency. I'm so irritated by that. How dare you. So during the trial jurors saw video of the shooting take place, taking place from police body cameras in Darby testified that he feared seeing one of my officers get hurt in fired. After Parker only struck only shrugged. When ordered to put down the gun, he was holding to his own head. I'm speaking on his own behalf. Darby said he was haunted by the shooting. I don't believe you. I know what's his name? Um, the cop Darby, Darby. I don't believe you then Darby, Ben Darby. You got no money on your books. Darby. If you get to listen to podcasts in prison, um, and you happen to cross, this one does know that I don't believe you. After the shooting, I would wake up in the middle of the night. I would think about Mr. Parker. I would think about his face. I would think about his fiance. Darby said a lie. How dare you think about him? Right? The nerve. You don't even, you don't even deserve to think about me after you shot me. What exactly? Pull the trigger with a bullet. Like no, no, no. And I don't understand. Shoot nobody. I don't understand shooting anybody like at all, but you didn't have no bean bag. You didn't have no like taser, nothing. Like you just, you didn't even try to like deescalate. It was like, okay, we coming in hot, like, oh, he trying to shoot himself. I'm gonna, I'm gonna shoot him first. I'm gonna be like that. Don't make no sense to me. And that's literally, you know why I don't believe that because that's the same that dude did to, uh, that's the same he did to Tamir rice. You saw him with a gun and he pulled up. And so like that is also like a violation all by itself. And then on top of shooting somebody, as soon as you get to the scene, that was a mental health patient. Somebody said they were suicidal. And you knew that before you got there on the ride over I'm like, you literally drove over there. Live updates, the update as the situation goes, right? The other police officers already had it under control. He probably already knew that and show up. I don't believe you eat all this bravado and ego. Yeah, no. So Darby said there is no evil intent. There is no malice. I am human. I am Christian. The towel that take the taking of a human life was not lost on me. I'm asking for mercy, I'm asking for leniency. Will you lenient when, um, a homeboy call for help? And then you pulled up and shot him 11 seconds. And after 11 seconds. And he mentioned he was Christian. I'm like, what'd they got to do anything. Anything, all Christians do murders every day. Be as Jesus. We're forgetting about them and don't let us know what he said. Cause we don't care. But you have that conversation with yoga and leave the rest of us out of it. So the case drew additional controversy when Darby was allowed to remain on the city payroll for two months after his conviction, of course, of course the guilty verdict was criticized by both the mayor and police chief, but lauded by the victim's family who said they hope it will spur law enforcement to change how they approach mental health cases, prices. I'm sorry. An innocent man was murdered prosecutor. Tim GaN told jurors in closing arguments this spring, he called for help. And he got Ben Derby, Ben Darby, Ben Derby, Darby, whatever. I don't give a. I want to say, you, Ben Darby. It is, we already had the do like all the kinks that come with producing a podcast, like all that. And then that yeah. I feel like the energy was just like, right. Yeah. Well, I got a fun story this week. Well, fund's a strong word, but it's interesting. It's interesting. Okay. Well hopefully that'll increase our energy cause I was sad. It was okay. We'll put that article in the notes so y'all can read it if you want. Yeah. Just sending lo to his family. I know that. I'm not sure exactly how long ago the child happened, but definitely sending love to his family because nobody deserves that. Right. But the main story we'd bet you bet. But a main course I'm writing. I'm excited. Me too. She got ready to Carter just said, this is the best research they've done.[inaudible] sorry for putting your business out. My best research is like, how deep did I go on Wikipedia? Um, I mean, that's a good thing to point out that like we're, we're learning as we go. And I feel like I'm, I'm getting the hang of this research thing. Multiple sources. Why not? But um, okay. This week, I'm the lead investigator. This is kata and I am doing Daniel plan, which you may, if you are a true crime junkie have heard of him from other podcasts. I hadn't heard of him before. I started listening to morbid, which is why I heard the initial episode, but this is just one of those good, like bizarre ones. Good as in terrible, but uh, content warnings for this story, rape murder of children murder in general, but murder of children specifically, um, and extreme stalking. Uh, so Daniel plant was born May 16th, 1970. He's a tourist young. I love to make sure we put the star sign out there. I gotta remember your dad. Yeah, I'm gonna ask. I don't remember desk. Um, so he was raised by his mother and his stepfather, Elaine and David Moore and Townsend, Massachusetts. Um, he had several siblings, brothers and sisters. I don't know how many came from, like his mother and his father and his mother and his step father stepfather, his previous situation. Um, most of the articles that I looked at didn't seem to really care because this is all about Daniel. Um, uh, he was sexually in psychotic, psychologically abused by his father when he was a child. Um, some sources said also his stepfather, but I couldn't really find anything confirming that like article wise. So, you know, maybe, maybe not. But when he was a kid, he was diagnosed with dyslexia and he was kind of weird in school. So like his former classmates described him as creepy, weird and a loner and he also had bad personal hygiene. So he came to school and like dirty clothes and he smelled bad, which that's sad. Cause I mean, that's definitely a surefire way to get roasted every day, your life. Exactly. And then also like having, maybe I don't know how severe his dyslexia was, but they made it seem like it was pretty severe. So learning disability on top of all that, it seems like at home, like the house was often dirty and disheveled, Aaron would probably not ever be able to be there because, so we know how right. Um, so as a teen, uh, the school recommended that he see a psychiatrist because he started to exhibit an abnormal behavior. And because it was lack of hygiene because it seemed like his personal hygiene was also really bad and he was getting a little too old for that. Um, so he was seeing the psychiatrist, it seemed to be going well, he was diagnosed with hyperactivity disorder, but then through the course of his treatment, for whatever reason, the person that's supposed to be taking the best care of him decided to start a sexually abusing him as well. No. So he got molested by his dad and a psychiatrist, which I can't imagine. Yeah. Your therapist like. Yup. Um, so that was his childhood and that's like the basics of what are known about shadow. I did read one article, which was really interesting that said like his peers thought he was alone and thought he was weird. He didn't like to party and things like that. But also like, I guess the community had a positive perception of his mother and stepfather, which once this story happened and people started digging. That seemed to not be the case, which seems to be a trend. I feel like with parents that like are abusive. They're good at convincing everybody, everybody that all good at home. Right. Um, so when he was about 14 or 15 years old, he started breaking into people's houses to take stuff because I mean, it didn't really have much to do what is stimulate his mind, get some new, whatever. But he took it to another level because when he broke into people's houses, it wasn't just to take things. He would like, you know, turn over their drawers. I looked through all their like private, intimate stuff, but also like purposely leave things out of place to with their heads. Oh, you know, like when you're like, I swear I left this here right now. I'm going to think it's him. Uh, yeah. So he like got off on like knowing that he was putting the fear of God in people, but he would even go so far as to like move furniture, like start eating a little snack, leave the snack out, uh, stuff like that. Um, no. Yeah, no. And I can't remember. I was talking to one of you about like that specific genre, true crime, where it's like people that live in your house and you don't know it and our crawl space. So I have a prospects in my attic. That's like big enough for somebody to definitely can't wait to find a story about that and do one sec. No, I freaked me out. Okay. Well let, let's see how you feel about this one first. Okay. So the years, 1986 and this part of the story is sometimes referred to as the Anne Andrew's family hauntings. So the Andrews family where Brian Andrews, who was the dad, and then you had two kids, Annie and Jessica who were 15 and eight respectively. Their mom had recently died of cancer, which is super sad. Um, so Brian was doing his best to, you know, juggle being a single dad, newly grieving his wife, and then like working to compensate to take care of the family. So it was out of the house. A lot, the girls were at home a lot on their own, any, like I said, it's 15 years old, 15. I feel like it was a normal age to start dating, talking to boys, girls, non binary people, whoever you're dating. And um, she, all of a sudden one day got a phone call and she didn't know the person on the other end of the line. She was like, you know, obviously how'd you get my number, whatever. He's like, oh, um, I got your number from one of your classmates. I saw you outside of school one time. I think you're really cute. Um, but I go to a different high school. So I had to ask your friend, who's also my friend for your number. Just like, oh, that's cute. Um, he said his name was Danny and he described himself as tall blonde athletic. Um, I don't know. I was given that white boy from saved by the bell, I guess yellow. Yes. Zach Morrison, Zack Morris Morris. Um, but yeah, so you basically described himself as like, you know, the dream blonde guy from the eighties. And he even was quoted as saying I'm very good-looking, which[inaudible] emailed me a picture. Cause they have L in 86. I don't know. But, um, anyway, they talked on the phone pretty regularly for like a couple of weeks. And um, he asked her today to the fair and she was like, of course, like we've been talking on the phone every day. You said you're super hot. I'm 15, I'm dating super, super hot. I believe you. They went to on the date. Uh, he shows up to her house to pick her up. She opens the door and she's like, hold up.[inaudible] the original catfish because Danny was definitely Daniel and he was not very good looking. And in fact he's described, well, we'll put a picture on Instagram cause we have pictures of him as a teen, but he had dark greasy hair. He had pretty bad acne. Like again, his hygiene was not super great. And he just, I mean, in my personal opinion, he looks like a creep. Like in the pictures he looks like a Creek. So I can only imagine what he looked like showing up to her house after she was expecting this like really cute guy. Um, but Annie was like, you know, I don't love this for me, but I guess we can still go to the fair. Um, so they went to the fair and you know, they're talking and she's like sharing with him that her mom had recently died of cancer. And apparently he got like super intrigued by that. Right. But started asking like really, really creepy invasive questions like about her last days. What was it like when she was dying? Was she in pain? Like how did that make her feel? Like stuff like that. No, that's a red flag. Yes. I feel like, you know what, I'm going to go get some cotton candy. I'll be right back. Never see this again in my life. And that's basically what happened. She was like my mama, my mama dead. And you're trying to be attracted to her like, oh, that's funny dad. Or he was just like in checker by the idea of her dying and like death in general. And like, maybe that was the first time he'd ever spoken to someone who knew someone who died. Yeah. No, I don't know either way. It's weird. Yeah. No. Um, so she was uncomfortable obviously. And she was like, it was about an hour into the day. She was like, nah, I'm good. I'm uh, I'm a go. Um, so she stopped talking to him, stop answers is answering his phone, calls her. Right. Um, too bad. They didn't have the block option back then. Um, so fast forward a few days or whatever, after their day Amy and her little sister, Jessica, um, they were reminiscing about their moms talking about how they missed her and all that. Um, yeah. And just talking about some of her favorite music and stuff. So they, this is where it goes left a little bit. Cause I just feel like black kids would not do this under any circumstances. They went in the basement to have a seance, to try to contact her and the ghost room or the spiritual room that listen. No. And I know that like, well, you know, I have an ancestor officer at my house and if I want to feel connected with my ancestors, you know, I'll light a little candle, put a shot on there or something, but this is the next level. Also the seance, you don't know who you contacted. You have to go in the basement. Basements are creepy. No matter what you're doing,[inaudible], you're closer to hell. [inaudible] contracted demons. You're not even contacting your family. You gotta be super, super intentional when you're, when you're playing around with stuff like that. Which I feel like, you know, I know I personally take care of not to mess with nothing that I don't want messing with me. So, and then like, I'm assuming this girl is white, right? Yeah. No that definitely contacting ancestors one. You don't know who you're going to get to like, come on. A lot of y'all ancestors was not, not great people, but they knew their mom. They don't know who's walking in with her or they don't know what spares are in that house in general. Like anything, anything, anything. So hold on one second where they're saying they decide to set up shop in the basement. Like I said, they lit candles, they held hands and they sang some songs. I think they wonder what they think. Some of the songs with their mom, like that is very sweet. Um, that was going to make it[inaudible] I feel terrible. It's okay. It's okay. Um, we're going to teach our kids not to do this later. That night as they were laying in bed though, they began hearing tapping on the wall. So they were like, okay, maybe like, that's our mom trying to contact that. Like maybe she's responding and they got like excited about it. Um, over the next few days, you know, they would be like, Hey, you know, is that you? And then the tap will respond to what they were saying. And they would ask like specific questions and then a tap what happened? And um, they were feeling all right about it, I guess. And then over the course of the week, the tapping got more constant. Um, it also started to occur later, later at night and only when the girls were home alone, because like we said, Brian's always at work these days. Um, so it got so disruptive to the point that the girls weren't able to sleep at night. So it was like more than just the cute little like ha ha I'm here. It was like, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Like all the time. That's terrifying. Right. I wonder if they had house insurance. Cause it's like just burn the house down Crow because I'm so scared. Sure.[inaudible] on that tip yet. Um, not commit. That's the answer and your Kayla can't even get arrested. Cause it's like, wait, we need to explore that this home insurance cover ghost hauntings contents in general. Oh my God. Is there haunting insurance? I think there's like a rule. Is there a rule where real estate agents have to tell you if you're, if the house is like known to have ghosts, I thought it was something we got from a Netflix show. Say maybe I was way too much that's fiction insurance we'll update. Y'all we'll do some research on that and let's we'll watch American horror story. You'll see what facts we can pull up that show the tapping got worse. It only was happening at night and when they were home alone. But in addition to the constant tapping, they all just also started to notice that things in the house were out of place or missing altogether. So an example of this happening would be like, say Jessica went in the kitchen and made a sandwich and she would like eat a couple bites, set it down and go, I don't know, answered the phone or something. And she would come back and the sandwich would just be completely gone. Um, right.[inaudible] would be like,[inaudible] now we got fight. Right. But I don't know what that relationship was like to one another. I mean, I'm sure they were close. Um, but they told their dad that they thought the house was haunted and he wrote it off. He was like, you know, they're still grieving their mom, their attention seeking, like this is, y'all just being silly. Um, or you know, maybe actually believing it, but your kids and there's no such thing as go so chill out. Um, so he just wrote it off altogether one night. And apparently Brian was a really deep sleeper because he would be at home some of these nights, but one night it's tapping started again. And they could tell this time that the tapping was coming from beneath them. And remember they have a basement. So they determined that it was coming from the basement. And he went to the kitchen, she got a knife and her and Jessica went to the basement together to investigate some right. Cause you got me up. Like if I hear something booming from the basement, the last place I'm going is the basement. Like no I'm gathering my things and moving the out again. These are[inaudible]. This house is for sale with my daddy in it because I'm not,[inaudible] like daddy, I got to go. I didn't contradict spirit, but it's too much for me now just give me a little background information. So they went down to the basement and they look up onto the wall and on the wall written in some kind of red something, if I'm in your room, come and find[inaudible] and the girls thought it looked like it was written in blood, which makes the words, it was some kind of like something that was dripping down the wall. But that just made me warm. Oh my God. So obviously they were scared of. Probably more scared than we are right now. I was also, so they went flying out the house. They ran to the neighbor's house where they stayed until their dad got home from work. Um, Brian was still convinced that this was still the girls acting out. So this is a conversation that I've had with breeze. But like just in general, like if I have kids and they tell me there's something strange or supernatural going on, I'm believing my kids. Yes. Most definitely. First of all, I feel like kids are closer to the rooms. And so like they see more things in here, more things than we do two, I'm not taking the risks. Like you could be absolutely like lying and just try to mess with me, but I'd rather be safe than sorry. Right. Because I'm not trying to end up in the contract. Like absolutely not. We got to go all of us go into a hotel for the foreseeable future. Exactly. The same. Some of the stuff is too specific. Some of that stuff is way too specific. Like kids are not that great at creative writing. I don't care. Like I can see if there's an old little boogeyman is under my bed. I'd be like, oh, well you can sleep in my room or some like, but if there was like, yeah, so there's knocking underneath the floorboards. It only happens when you're at work, but it's been happening since June six. No, no more. Um, so for a couple of weeks after that, the tapping just completely abated. Like it was fine. The girls figured that like whatever spirit that they had, like welcomed into the house and gone back to wherever it was from or whatever, but on January, in January of that same year or January, 1987, I'm sorry. Excuse me. Um, their dad was at work once again and the knocking resumed this time it was coming from Annie's bedroom. So Annie cause apparently he's a young thug. I went to the kitchen again and got another knife and her and her sister went to the bedroom to see what was going on. When they got to auntie's bedroom. There was another message written on the wall that said, I'm back. Find me if you can. So no, that's too many words for it to be blunt. You know what I mean? Like what a? Oh yeah. I did forget to say that they, um, Brian and I need to know the truth here. I didn't put this in my notes, but they said that they found out it was catch-up. I only saw them in a couple of articles. I'm sure it was catch-up that makes sense. I just need to know how we figured out it was catch-up Hey y'all so as you all know, we are still very new at this and what happened was some technical difficulties. So I have to rerecord a part of the story for you all just so you can hear it. Um, unfortunately we won't have the reactions of my cohost, but that's okay. We can still have fun and you'll get the rest of the story in just a couple of minutes. So as I was saying, the girls saw that there was a new message written on the wall and it said, I'm back. Find me if you can. So they were obviously super scared and they ran to the neighbor's house again. They called their dad. And at this point he was over it. He's frustrated. He's tired of getting calls at work. He knows that there's a lot going on with the girls and their grief and all that. But he also like is stressed out too. So he gets there and he, you know, he talks to them and tells them, you know, he's disappointed, he's annoyed, whatever. Then he goes into the house, storms up the stairs. There were several different accounts of this. Part of the story. Some of the stories say that when he went into the house, all the TVs were turned up to the loudest volume and that things were just disheveled. Like furniture was pushed all over the place that was trash and all that. And he still goes up to the girls room. And not only does he see the original message that was written on the wall, there's a new message that the girls that hadn't even mentioned that said, quote, unquote, marry me as commission point. So at this point, Brian starts to realize that maybe there's something to this and maybe the girls aren't just, you know, doing some ridiculous call for help, but there's something actually going on. So he turns around to leave, to go back to the neighbor's house and out of the corner of his eye, he sees like a figure in a corner. He goes to get a better look. And there he sees a teenage boy wearing a blonde wig and address that belonged to his dead wife. Also, this teenager is holding a hatchet. There are other, like I said, very accounts of this story and I'm sure the rumor mill was just gone. Absolutely bananas when this happened. But some people say that the dress wasn't any dress, but it was Brian's dead. Wife's wedding dress. All right, let's get back to the story. He made his SP swift. And again, the details differ depending on what source you're looking at. But the thing that seemed constant as they did get into some sort of physical altercation or struggle, and the boy just disappeared. The neighbor called the police. And once the cops got there, the boy was nowhere to be found. So the cops they're like doing a thorough search of the house, taking statements and everything. And as they're investigating an anyone's room, they noticed a small door that was either in her closet or right behind the dresser. And apparently it was a door to a crawl space. And when they opened the door to that crawl space, stop, Daniel plant was looking back at them. Oh my God. Imagine if we did this and like one of these clauses, can you imagine like, yes, that's why I'm scared because they got in a fight and then he didn't run away and leave the house. He went back in the house because I'm going to go to my room.[inaudible] so, I mean, all the blood would have drained from my body if I had been present because I was in[inaudible]. So it gets worse. Those, so the reports vary on how long Daniel had actually been hiding in the walls of the house. Some say it only been a few days. Others say it had been up to two months. That's what I believe. But especially because of the tappings and the bags and stuff. So that's my speculation as well, because there were at least two weeks of silence. My thought is that he was there for a little while. Maybe he wanted to go get some snacks or something. And then he came back after a little while, you know, I don't know, maybe just took a break in between terrorizing them. Um, but uh, you know, it had to at least be several weeks for this whole account to make sense. Time-wise um, so upon further inspection, the cops found garbage, a sleeping bag, bag, beer cans, food, wrappers clothes, including some of the girls, his clothes in the crawl space. When they got further into the crawl space, they were able to see that there was enough room to make a passageway of sorts that allowed Daniel to get to other parts of the house. So it had been moving through the literal walls of their house, tapping in different areas. He also, he brought food judo. Well, he was taking, remember things were going missing in the house sandwiches and. So he had also somehow cut little holes into different parts of the wall. So he could spy on the entire family and they never suspected that somebody was living in the house. I don't want to say I'm impressed. I just come, like, I'm confused in an impressive kind of way. Like how the were you able to live in somebody's house? I feel like because they were children, like their, their mind didn't even go there. They were like, this is a spirit ghost. And that's that. And then the dad didn't believe the kids. Exactly what it's like, nobody was really thinking about the situation. Cause if it had been mean, whether it's a ghost or a person living in those walls, they're there to say, I wouldn't have been there to see you. I know. I would've thought it was a person though. Especially when they took my sandwich, especially when I took my sandwich because I'm like you a spirit, like, where's it going to go? You know, what if that's true, maybe if you think it's just like a chaotic spirit, just trying to be mischievous or something. I would think I would probably think it was a kid ghost. I mean, I wouldn't be there long enough to like have all these things happen to me. Like you all said, but like, if I were experiencing this, I was like, oh, this is like some tortured child goes that likes to do pranks or something. I feel bad for these kids. Cause they probably really thought that they were the reason why they did they're like, because we know we did this seance and we like we did is we, we, we things up, but we brought a demon in the house. Yeah. That's it is that, I mean, that's why you don't play what we do, boards kids. Um, especially if you didn't read about contacting your forefathers, not in the basement. Right. I know. Um, that's the other, the other thing I thought about, cause I live in an old house and like we were talking about, we have crawl spaces and addict space and stuff like that. And I'm just like room enough to move through the walls though. Like sending me the wall. I mean, accounts of like his description also said that he was pretty thin, so maybe that had something to do with it, but yeah, he could move through the walls. Um, so I mean, he got arrested for that, but you know how they do, but he was still a minor. Yeah. Right. He was still a minor. He was 16 years old. So he was, um, sent to juvie where he stayed for 10 months from January, 1997 until October, 1987, because they wanted to charge him as an adult. His case was transferred from juvenile to adult court. But um, because he was being charged as an adult, he could now post bail. So he was charged with kidnapping, armed assault and as welling armed burglary, I don't know how it's different in a dwelling, but armed burglary, breaking and entering larceny and malicious destruction of property. Isabel was said$10,000. His mom helped him post it. And he got out. Um, and this was in October. So in November of that same year, he burglarized another house and he stole two handguns. So now we're moving on to the murder, uh, December 1st, 1987, which is my birthday, but this was three years before I was born. Um, it's still your birthday. Um, this is probably not a good thing to attach to it, but whatever. Um, and pepper hill, Massachusetts, I'm just going to start with the Gusto, the punch. He murdered a nursery school teacher and her two children. Oh my goodness. That's such a big jump though. Yeah. Like a huge jump. It is, but is it, but is it though? Cause like the hatchet and putting on forget. I mean he did terrorize them. Yeah. Like I feel like, well I guess he was still only 16 and maybe he was developing murderous pap patterns. I guess it's a huge jump because of like what he actually did. It's a feel like the potential was already there for him to live in somebody's walls and put on the mama clothes. Like, but yeah, no definitely saw that coming. Um, yeah, so he only lived half a mile away from the Gustaf since who stopped since family and he walked to their house the day he committed their murders. Um, Priscilla Gustafsson was 33 years old. She was also pregnant at the time of her death, uh, with her and her husband. Andrew's third child, Priscilla was described as sweet and caring. And she sang in the church choir and you know, taught at the nursery school at the church and was very committed to her faith. Um, the day of the murders, Andrew, he was an attorney. He was at work and uh, when Daniel arrived Priscilla and her five-year-old William were the only ones that were at the house. So somehow Daniel got Priscilla up to their bedroom, her bedroom, he raped her, put a pillow over her face and shot her point blank two times in the face. Oh my God. Yes. And then sometime between that and Abigail getting home, he ran the bath and the upstairs bathroom and drowned five-year-old William in the bathtub. Oh my God. Abigail unfortunately arrived home from school shortly after that, um, walked home from the school bus and he filled up the bathtub and the downstairs bathroom and drowned her as well. So by the time Andrew got off work and got home, he, you know, thought it was fairly quiet in the house, walking around the house, looking for his wife, went up to their bedroom and saw the state she was in and just left the entire house. He was like, I don't want to stumble on anything else that might be going on here. Uh, so he ran to a neighbors who called the cops and the cops found the bodies of the two children. They also found 2 22 caliber casings and open can of beer and seeming semen on the bed and shoe prints in the flower bed outside. He loves these beer cans. He loved just leaving around, which to me is like an extra level of like psychological torture. Yeah. Just like he was just chilling at the scene. Right. I was just like kicking there's another murder case I want to do at some point. Um, I forget the name of the person, but he used to do something similar. He would come in and bind the people, the victims and then like chill in the house, like make himself a male cool out on the couch and then like for hours and then go back and like do terrible things to them and eventually murdered them. Oh, that sounds familiar. I think I saw that by probably online Twitter or something. Yeah. I'm sure someone knows the name of it, but um, since Daniel's already on their radar and they knew that he had recently been released on bail, he was on that list of suspects pretty quickly. But just because of like the similarities in regards to like there was blood on the wall at the crime scene, um, he also left that open beer can there, like this is, you know, why not check in with Daniel and see what he's up to. So in December 2nd they tracked him down at the local library. He did not have anything to do with the murder saying he had been home all day watching TV before going to the six year old niece's birthday party. Um, they didn't have any hard evidence, so they couldn't take him in or anything like that. And they didn't. But later that day they went to his house because they wanted to ask him some additional questions. Apparently he was on the porch, he saw them coming. He jumped off the porch and ran into the woods, just dipped off. Um, I don't think they even had a warrant to search his property at the time, but they had probable cause because he ran off. I'm assuming. So they searched his house and I'm going to list out what they found in his house. And I got this from another, um, source that I will give to you Aaron, to link in the description, they found a 22 caliber bullet casing, which matched the two found in the Gustafsson home. The gun used to find two to shoot. Priscilla was found by Daniel stepfather in the glove compartment of junk Jeep Cherokee, which sat in the yard. A ballistics expert will testify at trial that the bullet casings found at the Gustafsson home were found to be a match to this gun. A pair of converse sneakers, which matched the prince in the flower bed of the Gustafsson home or found in Daniel's closet, a sock with saliva on it was found, which police police believe was used to gag Priscilla, Gustafsson and neck tie, a SOC stockings and pantyhose, which have been fashioned into ligatures. One of Danny's socks was found to have fibers, which matched fibers at the Gustafsson home. Um, they found the cordless phone that had been stolen from the Gustafson's, uh, thumbprint, which belonged with Daniel was identified on the phone. Um, DNA technology was still, you know, in the baby stages, but a lab analysis of Daniel's blood revealed that he was a type, a secrete or the same status as the semen stain found on Priscilla's bed. Wow. Yeah. At the trial, a K9 officer testified that his scent dog picked up, picked up scent from an object and then stops in home home and follow the scent straight the half mile straight through the woods, that half mile to the Leplant home. So basically they found everything in the world that said that he did this, um, and a full blown man house called on. So he wasn't very low key at all. Daniel that is any kid that a woman at gunpoint point and forced him to drive her around. And she was able to escape and call the police. And since he had kept her van, she was able to give the police the details of the car. And then a bunch of people called in tips in regards to his whereabouts, because everybody, you know, is on high alert. Um, at six 30 on December 3rd, he was found in a dumpster in a lumberyard and Ayer, Massachusetts. The weirdest thing about his arrest was as he was being arrested, the cops supported that he was laughing hysterically as in like being high, possibly it was giving me joker vibes. But next thing I was going to say, yeah, they said that he just was laughing like uncontrollably. Oh my God. Yeah. That's that makes it scarier. It does put a smile or laugh or like that. I mean, after you murdered and raped a pregnant woman and drown two babies, like literally two days later. Yeah, no. Yup. So in addition to the original charges he was facing, he is also now facing, uh, charges of terrorism of the Andrews family charged with three counts of murder and lots of additional charges for the crimes he committed while fleeing the police. He pled not guilty to the three murders. No, that's not real. Just the audacity. Um, during the trial prosecution called about 50 witnesses, some who were directly related to Daniel by all accounts, Daniel showed zero remorse even during the trial and had a constant smirk on his face. And I have a photo of him from the news, from the trial and he literally has a smirk on his face. Like a scary, yeah. Oh, it's very creepy. We'll put this on the Instagram for you all to take a look at as well. Yep. So clearly he didn't give a. Um, at his 1988 trial, his defense team tried to argue that the evidence, all the evidence that I listed to you all before that linked Daniel to the murder was circumstantial. And that could be linked. It could be linked to any member of the Leplant household. So basically they tried to say, it could, it could have been his stepdad. It could have been his brothers. Um, however everyone else in the family had an alibi. Literally everyone like fingerprints are unique. They are, and everybody in the family that's the same size. They literally didn't have. What else could have been a defense? Like literally what else? Yeah, no, I guess it was just their best bet. And just told them to like plead guilty and get like a, what do they ideally? Yeah. Um, after five hours of deliberation, the jury found him guilty of basically all the above and he was sentenced to three life sentences in 1993. He appealed his conviction, but it was, um, denied. Thank God. And since his time in prison, I thought this was just interesting. He's basically just been a little brat. I mean, like some of these, if this were anybody else, I would be like, this is valid. But in 2000 he was fearing for his own safety. So he asked to be segregated from gen pop and put, you know, and isolation basically. But part of being segregated from general population means you lose access to the library. He then Sue the board of the prisons for not allowing him access to the library and one,$450. And I think after realizing that, you know, he still had some rights and the ability to like basically get under their skin or whatever. He also decided to Sue them in 2013 when he converted to being a Wiccan and claimed he wasn't being given the right to properly exercise his faith because he couldn't have access to like his ritual oils, dragon, blood, black opium, honeysuckle, and like 24 other herbs that he claimed he needed for his practice. Um, rightfully so local pagans and Wiccans were like, he's given us a bad name one because this is not like have anything to do with us. We're not murderers are people who like to commune with the earth normally, um, through like rituals and things like that. But they were also like part of our faith is just practicing with whatever we have available and like fellowshipping with one another, like you're really doing too much basically. And then he also had the nerve to complain that someone, someone had mailed him some porn and it was confiscated because porn is obviously contraband, but are you serious? Like, yeah, it all I wanna say about that. And so in 2017, which is not that long ago, what dang yesterday, I'll say 19, no, 2017 at this point Daniel's 46 years old. He appealed for a reduced sentence. Um, based on the argument argument that juveniles, uh, shouldn't have been sentenced for life without parole. His hope was that this will result in a reduced sentence where his sentences could be served concurrently as opposed to consecutive consecutively. So this would make it so that he would have been eligible for parole that same year, because he had served 30 years at that point. Um, Priscilla sister testified that it's like reliving the murders all over again, which I can only imagine my sisters violently murdered as well as my niece. And my nephew is 30 years later. And you're trying to appeal this and just like, I have to come back to court to give a victim impact statement because you want to be on some again, 30 years way of basically trying to say, like I'm not guilty. Right. He apologized to the family at the recent sensing hearing. So he did get a recent sensing hearing because based on the legislation he had the right to do. So, um, he said, I do not have the words to fully express my profound sorrow, but I am truly sorry for the harm that I've caused from the very essence of who I am and from the depths of my soul, I'm sorry. Apparently nobody was buying it. Um, they said that he was like dead pan. He didn't make eye contact and was all around just like given what he gave previously like that he just didn't care. His lawyers probably told him to do that. Yeah. He would have a better chance, a hundred percent believe that I there's no way he came up with that on his own. It's also a trash apology, but whatever on March 22nd, 2017, the recency hearing was held at the Middlesex superior court in Woburn, Massachusetts. The judge affirmed Leplant sentence of three consecutive life terms, imprisonment, uh, with the possibility of parole after 45 years, um, after forensic psychiatrists evaluated Leplant and found that he was not remorseful for his crime. So basically he got the same sentence. Um, but he will be eligible for parole in 2032 after 45 years. Wow. At time served, he won't even be like super old like that to the point where it's like debilitating, because you said in 2017 was 46, right? Yeah. So he'll be like 60 some 61, I think. Yeah. 60 isn't. I mean, when it comes to being active and being mobile, that's not, no, it's not. I know we bring this up every, every single week prisons bad, but this was worse. I don't know, whatever it takes, whatever abolition solution folks come up with like him need to not be around other people. Um, see anything in the articles about him being diagnosed with like any type of like sociopath or like, I think people use that word to describe him, but I didn't see anywhere where he was officially diagnosed with that. I don't think that the court psychiatrists were well, they, it, I'm not going to say they didn't, but it doesn't seem like that was their purpose for the evaluation. The evaluation is to see like, if he could be re introduced into society potentially. Yeah. I'm curious. And I think we talked about it either in the last episode or the one before that, that to not have the remorse. That's like a characteristic. That's one of those I'm psychopaths. Yeah, I think so. I don't know. I think the only thing that I saw he was officially diagnosed with was dyslexia and the hyperactivity disorder, which I don't know a whole lot about hyperactivity disorder. Yeah. But it wasn't, he wasn't, you diagnosed in the seventies or the eighties or something like that. Yeah. I was going to say, I don't know exactly what years, but I know that back then, they didn't really have like the language as far as like mental health. I mean, as far as far as I know, I'm not like studying psychology or nothing, like that. But I feel like terms such as like psychopathy, sociopathy, like, um, I dunno, borderline personality disorder or whatever. I feel like that came a little bit later and maybe they just never like really evaluated him. Cause he was too busy hiding in people's walls and. So yeah. I'm going to go home and check my shower. My crawlspace, my addicts, my garage. I'm checking the crawlspace twice. I hear a sound. I'm just gonna assume like daddy, I'm gonna send my dog down to the basement. If he come back,[inaudible] downstairs. I have noticed, okay. In the closet of my bathroom, there's a little panel of the wall that's missing and I could see how someone could in theory, maybe like slip in there, but it's not big enough for like, well, I guess you could call it through. I don't know. What's on the other side, I'm honestly kind of afraid to look. I'm gonna put some Sage in there tonight, so burn the whole house down. Um, but yeah, my cat's always trying to get in there and I'm just like fighting to keep her out and then trying not to see what's in there. Cause I don't want to freak myself out but yeah, that's Daniel Leplant. Oh, Daniel, you're terrifying. Yeah. Even though striking the comfort of God in the, in the future, because I'm glad that, um, he got caught when he did. Cause I feel like he could've very well. Oh. He definitely knew that it would have continued to escalate and gotten worse and worse. Cause chill, I mean, everything is bad now, but I feel like children are especially murdering children as, especially, especially heinous. Yeah. And, um, I was one of the exempt and like a drowning. Yeah. That's a very, like, you have to put all of your Fort. Like, I mean, it's, it's beyond like violent something else. I look for like updates on the girls, the ones that he stopped any and Jessica, but I wasn't able to find anything which I'm sure after this happened, they were even more mortified and terrified at the potential of what could have happened to them. And then probably just did not want to be in the limelight at all. Oh God, that reminds me of something. And I don't know. I mean, it's definitely kind of true crime related. If not, we can edit it out, but I definitely want to the story, not it's on my mind. So I think I may have had dinner with a murderer. Oh, because yeah. Okay. So I went to taco bell after I got off of work, I was starving and I was like, I can't just drive up and then eat in my car. I want to go in there. I'm want to get the food on and sit down and eat. All right. So I'll pull up at the front so I can be as close to the door as possible because I'm starving. I go to the counter and I order my food. I get my cup and this guy standing next to me at the soda machine. And he's like, yeah, I have a, what did he say? I have a 1978. I think that's Lisa. I have a 1964 or something. And I was like, what do you mean? And he was like a beetle. Isn't that? The car you're driving. I'm like, oh, how the do you know? You have a beautiful, but I guess I'm parked right by the door. So I'm like, okay, that makes sense. I go to sit down and they don't call my name for my food. I'm like, well, they didn't just like call out what I ordered or nothing. He brings it to me. I'm sitting down, he brings it to me. And I thought that was really weird. I'm like, dude, you don't work here. Like we both, we both here here's my tray. And if, and, and he didn't have anything to eat, so I'm guessing like he had already eaten or whatever. I don't know. But, um, so yeah, I sit down and then he's like, Hey, you want me to grab you any sauce or anything like that? And I was like, no, I can get it myself. I'm most definitely. But like, again, I'm still starving. I just got off work. I been at work since like three or four and it's like 10, 11 o'clock at night or something like that. So, um, so yeah, so I'm sitting there eating my food or whatever. He starts asking me all kinds of questions about being a server. And he asked me about, uh, Georgia state. I had, uh, a lanyard that said Georgia state, or like Georgia perimeter college or some, this man know all kinds of information about me just based off my outfit and like me pulling up, I needed to be a little bit more careful because it's like one of those shirts where it's like, you can tell I'm a server. It's just like this little checkerboard pattern. It looks like I'm a taco bell manager. But like, nah, I must say or whatever. So, um, so, um, eating, and then I noticed as he's talking that he has like a red, like red splatter stains on his hand and it's like a ring on his hand. It's like, that's like blood, is it a tattoo? Or no, it's like dried up blood on his, uh, the ring of his hand, like right here on the edge of his finger. And it's yeah, no. And I was like, okay, at this point, I need to make it out of here because one murdered, like, you know, but then two, if I died at a taco bell, my friends are never gonna forgive me. It's like, they hate taco bell and that[inaudible]. I was like, no, I'm not dying. I no taco bell. Cause I know keg on John. The out of me was like, taco got all fast food and this is why you should be vegan. You know what I mean? Like I know that's going to be one of the conversations, even though diet of fast food. I'm like trying to think what I would, where I would die. Maybe Panda express or something some a little bit more upscale[inaudible] was asking me it was good to that. I think that would be a better choice. Cause I got thank goodness. You know what I mean? Like good at sauce, bread. But taco bell though, like it's just definitely on the lower end. And I know all my friends with Jonah out of me. So I was like, no, I got to make it up out of here. I went and I would make you one Memorial at the taco bell. I appreciate that. I keep you at a special place in my heart because with taco bell sips. Um, so yeah, so I'm like looking him up and down so that I can be able to describe him in case some goes down. And one of the things that, so I definitely noticed the blood, but I was like, well maybe that's dried up sauce. Like maybe something is like, but it was too red. It wasn't like, it's not like mild sauce or like fire sauce is going to cause that it'll be more caked up. It'll be something else. And so then that's when I noticed that he had like splatter on his shirt, like it was like, and it was like small too. It wasn't like if you were you open up a packet of sauce from sports out too much, it's not going to look like that. It was like small little splatters or whatever on his shirt. And then he had like a ring on his left finger. He was talking about his kids and showing you pictures and. And he had like blood on his, um, where the, um, the ring finger was or whatever. I'm like this just kill his ex-wife or some. Cause he's showing me all the pictures of his kids now what the? The moment. So I was like, oh my God, no, I literally said I'm murderer. I thought you meant somebody who had like no thinking. They literally just[inaudible] dried up on his hands. And I'm thinking like this man is eating. And I know that there's nothing like thinking about the logistics of it or guest ballistics. I don't know there's no taco bell ballistics, but like, I'm just saying, thinking about like what it takes to eat food. Like there's no way that food could have caused that. Like I just don't believe it. And um, he just kept asking me questions about my personal might paint. No, it didn't look like paint. It didn't look like paint at all. Cause it was so small. It was like, I wish I could. I wish I knew like the words to describe it, but it's almost like if I did my hand in blood and I did like this, like on your shirt lifted away from yourself. And I just thought that like, oh no, I just thought that was really weird. It looked like something literally squirted onto his collar. Like, oh no, it's just disgusting. And I was like, okay, cool. I got to make it up out of here. So I was like, oh, you know what? I'm full. I think I'm gonna finish the rest of this at home. And then I like folded up my food and then like put it in bag and like literally ran out the door and I pulled off so hard. It was like on some like fast and furious type and that little beetle. And I was like, breakdown on the way home, but I don't give a. Like I, yeah, like terrifying. I called my friend while I was on the way home. And then I told her the story and she was so shook. She was like, I'm staying on the phone with you. Do you go like check out the window? Make sure nobody followed it. I took the super, super complicated way. Complicated way to get home because on the south side it's like all these different like little side streets and. That's scary. Well, whoa, don't, don't worry your school on your land. Don't worry about working a farm. Don't go to taco bell at 11 o'clock by yourself. Yeah. And if you do a draft through the job, through the drive through, don't go into the thing. That's so scary. Yeah know. And I know that has nothing to do what we were talking about, but it just reminded me. I mean, cause I always cause the con the way it kind of reminded me of that was like, what if they saw him on like TV or what if they saw him in a newspaper or some? And it was like, oh, that's that dude that did this sort of thing or whatever. I always thought that like the girls. Yeah. And they was just like, I don't want to have to do with him. So local, I do know that the, um, police departments that were handling Kim and the ones that suspected him in relation to that crime, like they were in contact with the father of that family. So I'm sure they got updates and like we're well aware of like the trial and all that. Um, I just don't think that they were super involved in like attending the trial or like commenting, commenting to the press or anything like that. Um, which, I mean, I get it. I actually think they moved. Yeah. Oh yeah. Most definitely had to. I mean, I can never live in that house again. What, first of all, my mom died while we were living here and then I got stocked and kind of like held hostage in my own house without my own knowledge. Yeah. Yeah. He knows where you live. Like he was only in juvie for however many months. Listen. Yeah. And we've talked about several stories

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Where people just be escaping jail, like is nothing. So even if he's locked up, that's not to say he ain't gone get out and come out in your walls again. And when you bring people over and you giving them a tour of your house, like, oh yeah, this is the kitchen. These are the bedrooms. And this is where Danny he's asleep.

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Okay. How we decided to sign up for these things, listen to this podcast on apple podcasts, Spotify, anywhere else, Stitcher. I don't even know what that is, but oh yeah. Someone listened to it from Stitcher. Maybe I was like, oh, you can listen to it on your Amazon smart speaker.[inaudible] all of this is coming from the fact that we're obsessed with the stats. So every time somebody listens, we look and see like, you know what devices people are listening on. What platforms are people listening on? So we do know that there is someone out there listening from a smart speaker, but we're not watching. You don't know who you are. Actually not, we're not serial killers. We will never be the subjects of this podcast. We ain't killers and killers. That's the whole thing. But thank you for listening to the Amazon smart speaker. Yes. Because you found a way, you said, Amazon, let me know. You said, apple for Spotify. Like I already, it was like just going straight to the, straight to the source. If y'all can hear this, are we going to cut? If we don't cut this out, there's a ice cream truck that just went to my neighborhood. That is creepy. Creepy is like, that is like scary movie. No, I hate when they're like on the highway, but the music's still on. And so when it goes by really quickly as it is going away with like sounding stretched out like a Jordan Peele themes. Um, when I was a kid, there was an ice cream truck that would come by and it had like a child singing. Oh. That's no, that's a violation right there.[inaudible] on that thing. We robbing it and the money, that's fine. Where to terrorize. All right. Anyways, um, all social medias, um, at I in a killer podcast on Instagram, Tik TOK, Facebook at Ayana killer pod on Twitter. Where else are we? You can email us@iannakylapodcastatgmail.com. Yeah. Is there any cases you want us to cover? I think that's it. That's it? Yeah. Send this to a friend. Yeah. And leave us a review so we can get better. So let us and feed that. Give the people what they need, get them going. All right. Thanks. Y'all we'll see you next week. Bye.